Beth Noveck/Lawlita Fassbinder On Democracy Island

Beth Noveck of the New York Law School and initiator of the Democracy Island project opened up the day on Saturday with a presentation and group Q&A on DI's mission and background. Here's a piece from that edited into paragraph form. Read on for the full transcript provided by Lyre Calliope.

(Note: Beth Noveck is Lawlita Fassbinder in Second Life)
Lawlita Fassbinder: "At State of Play I, the first conference on law and virtual worlds, we held a workshop for game designers and administrative lawyers—two groups that are very unlikely to meet ever. The purpose was to discuss how new virtual world technology (and SL was new then) could be used as a medium and venue for citizen participation. In other words, by law, under the Administrative Procedure Act, everyone has a right to participate in federal agency decision-making..."

Jesrad Seraph [attendee]: even an italian citizen ?

Lawlita Fassbinder: "...180 federal agencies that pass 8000 rules a year about everything from air to water to seatbelts and anyone (regardless of nationality) has a right to comment. Agencies are required to llisten to those comments."

Jesrad Seraph: neat, here we don't even get to know what the hell they are regulating today

Lawlita Fassbinder: "But this process of citizen participation, which could be the greatest and most meaningful form of democracy, is broken. No one knows they have this right. When they do comment, they send in useless postcards or emails. Agencies don't have time, interest or energy to listen so government doesn't get the benefit of informed, thoughtful relevant comments that they need to write rules "in the public interest." Okay—that's how this idea was born."

Elizabetha Pirandello: they have interest if there is enough money

Lawlita Fassbinder: "Right, money talks, but that's not how it should work. We thought it might be useful and interesting and worthwhile to try to develop places for citizen participation and consultation for the next generation inside the virtual world. The Department of Transportation agreed. And we launched D.I. in order to experiment with the creation of spaces for deliberation and participation. Finally, we wanted to understand how we might do deliberation—the public exchange of reason - differently in the virtual world than in the real world
...
Lawlita Fassbinder: We REALLY want tour input and ideas and, more important, imvolvement in building this space."

Click continue reading below for the full transcript.

Left to right, Beth/Lawlita flys in and has a seat (click to enlarge)

Full, unedited transcript:

Lawlita Fassbinder: Great to be here
SNOOPYbrown Zamboni: i'm dropping beth's bio in the info kiosk here
florenze Kerensky: hi :)
SNOOPYbrown Zamboni: if anyone would like one
Lawlita Fassbinder: Hello, all
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: hi beth
Hiro Pendragon: Hey Beth
Elizabetha Pirandello: hello Lawlita
Justice Soothsayer: hi Beth
MRAzoid Heaney: Hello
Lawlita Fassbinder: So, great, that so many people could come out today!
Jesrad Seraph: I jsut went to visit Jade !
Jesrad Seraph: I hadn't planned participating in this :o
Lawlita Fassbinder: Thanks to SnoopyB for organizing
jesz Murakami: open to discussion--because this 1L world is very dark
Hiro Pendragon: Just getting started, Beth. It's only 10:15 on the WEst Coast :)
Jade Lily: haha
Jesrad Seraph: it's true :o
Lawlita Fassbinder: 10:15 on a Saturday!
Lawlita Fassbinder: Brave
SNOOPYbrown Zamboni: my pleasure
SNOOPYbrown Zamboni: it sure is :)
Lawlita Fassbinder: Hey, Snoopy, have you already given the intro and tour?
SNOOPYbrown Zamboni: just the intro. we're going to tour in upcoming presentations
SNOOPYbrown Zamboni: ppl have lots of questions about the preoject
Lawlita Fassbinder: Shall I explain a few words about how this project got started and answer questions?
SNOOPYbrown Zamboni: i think we'd like to hear what this is about from your pov
Lawlita Fassbinder: Of course
SNOOPYbrown Zamboni: yea, that's a good place
Lawlita Fassbinder: I have a bit of lag but hopefully this will come out fast enough
Lawlita Fassbinder: At State of Play I
Lawlita Fassbinder: the first conference on law and virtual worlds
Lawlita Fassbinder: we held a workshop for game designers and administrative lawyers
Lawlita Fassbinder: two groups that are very unlikely to meet ever
Tom Ramona: tt
Lawlita Fassbinder: the purpose was to discuss how new virtual world technology
Tom Ramona: Hello, avatar!
Lawlita Fassbinder: (and SL was new then)
Lawlita Fassbinder: could be used as a medium and venue for citizen participation
Jesrad Seraph: participation in what, precisely ?
Lawlita Fassbinder: in other words, by law, under the Administrative Procedure Act,
Lawlita Fassbinder: everyone has a right to participate in federal agency decisionmaking
Jesrad Seraph: even an italian citizen ?
Lawlita Fassbinder: 180 federal agencies that pass 8000 rules a year about everything from air to water to seatbelts
Lawlita Fassbinder: and anyone (regardless of nationality) has a right to comment
Lawlita Fassbinder: agencies are required to llisten to those comments
Jesrad Seraph: neat, here we don't even get to know what the yhell they are regulating today
Lawlita Fassbinder: but this process of citizen participation, which could be the greatest and most meaningful form of democracy, is borken
Lawlita Fassbinder: no one knows they have this right
Lawlita Fassbinder: when they do comment, they send in useless postcards or emails
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: oh
Lawlita Fassbinder: agencies don't have time, interest or energy to listen
Jesrad Seraph: even though they're required to ?
Lawlita Fassbinder: so government doesn't get the benefit of informed, thoughtful relevant comments
Lawlita Fassbinder: that they need to write rules "in the public interest"
Elizabetha Pirandello: they have interest if there is enough mney
Lawlita Fassbinder: Okay - that's how this idea was born
Lawlita Fassbinder: right, money talks
Lawlita Fassbinder: but that's not how it shoudl world
Elizabetha Pirandello: fur sure
Lawlita Fassbinder: we thought it might be useful and interesting and worthwhile to try to develop places for citizen participation and consultation
Lawlita Fassbinder: for the next generation inside the virtual world
Lawlita Fassbinder: the Department of Transportation agreed
Jesrad Seraph: how does it affect me, as someone out of the regulation jurisdiction of such agencies ?
Lawlita Fassbinder: And we launched D.I. in order to experiment with the creation of spaces for deliberation and participation
Elizabetha Pirandello: wow
Lawlita Fassbinder: finally, we wanted to understand how we might do deliberation -- the public exchange of reason - differently in the virtual world than in the real world
Jesrad Seraph: group decision-making
Lawlita Fassbinder: town meetings and traditional "hearings" are plagued by problems
Hiro Pendragon: here here
Lawlita Fassbinder: but in SL the rules are different
Elizabetha Pirandello: ???
Lawlita Fassbinder: So we created this as a place to experiment and to solicit your ideas, projects, suggestions, involvement with trying to build
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: how can u saythat?
Lawlita Fassbinder: these kinds of consultative communities
Lawlita Fassbinder: Okay - enough speech-ifying....
Lawlita Fassbinder: happpy to answer questions
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: town meetings work real well were i live in rl
Lawlita Fassbinder: and to say more about projects
Lawlita Fassbinder: And maybe the Islanders want to chime in, too
Giulio Perhaps: question beth:
Zyax Warrior: Are you speaking on behalf of Democracy Island or another place like it?
Jesrad Seraph: OK, so this project aims at improving democratic processes regarding those 180 agencies ?
Lawlita Fassbinder: I'm not sure what you mean by "on behalf of"?
Giulio Perhaps: from what you said, this is more about using sl to promote dem in rl than about dem in sl, correct?
Lawlita Fassbinder: The project had its origins with this specific idea about agencies but...
Lawlita Fassbinder: the early experiments are more general
Jesrad Seraph: OK, so this answers my second initial question :)
Lawlita Fassbinder: they address how to deepen democratic practice
Lawlita Fassbinder: in RL
Lawlita Fassbinder: and SL
Lawlita Fassbinder: We didn't start this as a place for SL governance
Lawlita Fassbinder: but it might become that
Elizabetha Pirandello: so you are a layer Yes?
Jesrad Seraph: not in the current state of SL, I doubt it :)
Lawlita Fassbinder: and I know that's a topic that gets a lot of people very engaged
Lawlita Fassbinder: I am a law professor
Elizabetha Pirandello: are there cociolgists or social ppyschologitst involved
Lawlita Fassbinder: and therefore a lawyer, yes
SNOOPYbrown Zamboni is online
Lawlita Fassbinder: There aren't yet - but we're just starting
Elizabetha Pirandello: I mean you arelooking at behavior
Zyax Warrior: Ah i see, it would of helped if i was told who you were frm the beginning
Zyax Warrior: like an introduction to you
Lawlita Fassbinder: Ah, I think Snoopy passed out some kind of bio
Lawlita Fassbinder: my apologies
Elizabetha Pirandello: behavior of groups as well as individuals
SNOOPYbrown Zamboni: (sorry, program surfed and fell)
Lawlita Fassbinder: I am a law professor who teaches in the area of intellectual property, constitutional law and electronic government and electronic democracy
Lawlita Fassbinder: I focus, in particular, on the beahvior of groups
MRAzoid Heaney: Snoopy did... it is at the Information pole.
Jesrad Seraph: watch out, digital pirates ;)
Elizabetha Pirandello: ahh thaks
Lawlita Fassbinder: and how technology impacts the way groups interact online
Lawlita Fassbinder: because I am interested in the ability of ordinary people to come together make decisions, buy and sell assets, and wield power
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: but do enuf pple have computers
Sue Stonebender is offline
Lawlita Fassbinder: ultimately, I am arguing for ways to defer centralized government pwoer to networks of groups
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: to take part?
Lawlita Fassbinder: in SL? No, not yet enuf computers
Elizabetha Pirandello: interesting and who in central gov is going to give up pwer?
Morgaine Hathor is offline
Lawlita Fassbinder: but we can begin to experiement now while the technology gets fasters and cheaper
MRAzoid Heaney: Are there efforts to address the lack of hardware available?
SNOOPYbrown Zamboni: which of course it will
Lawlita Fassbinder: so, for example, in another project I'm working on with IBM, we're developing a community review system for patents
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: no in RL to be demographcially inclusive
Lawlita Fassbinder: initially to aid the patent office with reviewing patent applications
Timeless Prototype: non disclosure agreement? lol
Elizabetha Pirandello: hmmmm
Lawlita Fassbinder: and eventually to replace the patent examiner with an open, peer review system
Lawlita Fassbinder: government won't give up power
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Jesrad Seraph: NDA ? zomfg MJW is back :o
Lawlita Fassbinder: but people are taking in
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Lawlita Fassbinder: it
Surveyer: All Go
Lawlita Fassbinder: ordinary groups of people in communities are coming together to make decisions and take action in new ways thanks to technology
Lawlita Fassbinder: think about the Relay for Life or the Tax Revolt or other events in SL, for example
Lawlita Fassbinder: But I'm eager to hear from people what you think. What you want to have happen hear?
Lawlita Fassbinder: here
Lawlita Fassbinder: What do you think we should do with the island to promote community engagement
Lawlita Fassbinder: and learn more about group participation and deliberation
Hiro Pendragon: Our own voting system for SL features
Lawlita Fassbinder: Hiro, say more
Hiro Pendragon: that doesn't stink like the one LL made.
Hiro Pendragon: with "no" voting
Hiro Pendragon: with ability to edit proposals
Hiro Pendragon: search proposals
Hiro Pendragon: a way to better communicate these to the community
Lawlita Fassbinder: and make new proposals?
MRAzoid Heaney: Community engagement is quite difficult in groups (larger than thre or four) because things get chaotic...
Hiro Pendragon: and promote good ideas to LL for change.
Hiro Pendragon: xactamundo.
MRAzoid Heaney: I hope that we can find ways to use SL to facilitate both large and smal group discussion.
MRAzoid Heaney: To allow it to happen more, and to have more productive output.
Hiro Pendragon: There's tools we're dying for that LL has been "Oh, that's great. we're working on it and will ... eventually ... release it"
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SNOOPYbrown Zamboni: that's the next discussion, MRAzoid
Kim Anubis is offline
Hiro Pendragon: (done)
Lawlita Fassbinder: The question is - and this relates, too, to what hiro wants to do - is how best to exploit this environment for small and large group discussion
Lawlita Fassbinder: How would you organize such discussions?
MRAzoid Heaney: Snoopy: glad to hear it...
Lawlita Fassbinder: Oh, is this the next topic for later?
Elizabetha Pirandello: prob is so many talking "typing" at same time
SNOOPYbrown Zamboni: next topic
Elizabetha Pirandello: I get lost
SNOOPYbrown Zamboni: peter muhlberger
SNOOPYbrown Zamboni: deliberative e-rulemaking
Lawlita Fassbinder: right, so e-rulemaking is precisely about use of online tools for communicating with agencies
Lawlita Fassbinder: but it's just another example of what MRAZoid is talking about
Lawlita Fassbinder: how to engender useful deliberation
Kile Grommet: are you suggesting that an agency official would appear here as an avatar and pay attention?
Lawlita Fassbinder: in the real world, deliberation often suffers from the problem of too little time, too many meetings, only the right or the loud getting heard
Justice Soothsayer: If we think of Linden Labs as one of those agencies that governs our existence here, then the tools you are talking about would be helpful for providing our "public comment" to LL.
SNOOPYbrown Zamboni: good point, justice
Lawlita Fassbinder: I'm suggesting both that agencies show up but also that the community of interest can use the tools to develop more effective ways to communicate
Lawlita Fassbinder: and filter information to make it useful and manageable
Barbarra Blair looks puzzled and wonders what's wrong with just talking to people
Justice Soothsayer: Further, the extent to which LL "listens" might be an example of the kind of behaviour one might expect from RL agencies.
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: are we talking tech tools? like soapboxes?
Lawlita Fassbinder: tech tools....and processes and practices embedded in tech tools
Jesrad Seraph: or the other way 'round
Lawlita Fassbinder: talking to people is all well and good but what happens when 500,000 people talk at once
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: yes
Giulio Perhaps: Well said Justice, but we can force LL to listen by threatening to leave. How can we force RL institutions to listen?
Barbarra Blair: Talk to one person at a time.
Lawlita Fassbinder: or when the medium for "talk" is a small box on the screen that only facilitates one person commenting instead of responding to other comments
Lawlita Fassbinder: at some point, check out www.regulations.gov
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: arnt we just talking bureacracy in a different place?
Hiro Pendragon: We can't threaten LL that we'll leave.
Hippo: :)
Hiro Pendragon: That's like saying we won't use the internet.
Hiro Pendragon: We can threaten much more meaningful things though.
Hippo: >:!
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: more procedures?
Hiro Pendragon: Like protests that draw big media attention.
Multi Gadget v1.33.2: Gwyneth Llewelyn
Barbarra Blair: like temper tantrusm?
Hiro Pendragon: Like co-opting Linden tools with web tools.
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Lawlita Fassbinder: I would think that they would want to hear what you have to say so long as it's in a form that's useful and constructive
Lawlita Fassbinder: the problem i having procedures that give rise to venting and unreasonable demands
Barbarra Blair: I don't think the words "threat" and "force" really have a place in Second Life.
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: yes like forums
Hippo: >:!
Hiro Pendragon: AHa! The Great Debate!
Lawlita Fassbinder: what else besides forums?
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: no i mean forums are used for venting and are inefficent
Lawlita Fassbinder: right - that's the "town meeting" problem
Elizabetha Pirandello: no town meetings work well whee I live
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: but town meetings are moderated and are as good as the moderator
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: we use roberts rules up here
Lawlita Fassbinder: how does that work?
Elizabetha Pirandello: right
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: very welll
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: among small towns
Lawlita Fassbinder: are you getting enough information into the process in order to have meaningful discussions?
Elizabetha Pirandello: yes the whole town show up
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: yes also through media and town reports published annually
Lawlita Fassbinder: that's in RL? or SL?
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: in rl
Lawlita Fassbinder: are you in New England?
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Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: ys
Elizabetha Pirandello: yes
Lawlita Fassbinder: lol
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: march is town meeting month
Elizabetha Pirandello: birht place of our democracy
Barbarra Blair: thought that was athens
Lawlita Fassbinder: question is why do they work there? what is it about the culture of the place that makes it work? and how to create that here in SL?
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: we have to LIVE together
Hippo: :)
Lawlita Fassbinder: in new ways that might take less time and be more deliberative
Hippo: :)
Elizabetha Pirandello: birth plac of Our demcracy BArb
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: your neighbor may save your life
Elephant: :)
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: its that intimacy that works the day to day
Elephant: :!
Lawlita Fassbinder: Do you feel the same way about SL?
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: how do u translate that to sl?
Elephant: :!
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: animals add so much to discussions
Lawlita Fassbinder: I feel like I'm in Aida
Elizabetha Pirandello: course elipnhants dont come through town hall lol
MRAzoid Heaney: Zarf nope.
Jesrad Seraph: pay no attention to the elephant.
Kile Grommet: it seems easier for numbers of people to move at the same time than to talk at the same time
Commerce Leader: Only in SL can you ignore the big elephant in the room :-)
Lawlita Fassbinder: well, maybe it's what we need ....more humor!
Zyax Warrior: LOL
Lawlita Fassbinder: lawyers are too serious
SNOOPYbrown Zamboni: :)
Kile Grommet: has anyone experimented with debating questions by changing positions?
Lawlita Fassbinder: that's why democracy has gotten quite boring
Commerce Leader: hehehe, depends on the lawyer, Lawlita :-)
Commerce Leader: My attorney used to be lead singer of a heavy metal band ;-)
Jesrad Seraph: surely you mean the current conduct of "democracy"
Lawlita Fassbinder: yeah, well, try explaining Democracy Island to a bunch of adminstrative lawyers
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Kile Grommet: for example, suppose proponents of alternatives assembled in different parts of this circle
Commerce Leader: I'll give it a whirl at next year's State of Play, hehehehe
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Lawlita Fassbinder: yes "Democracy" as once-a-year voting is not my idea of the ideal of democracy
Commerce Leader: Then you can laugh at my attempt :-)
Kile Grommet: and we all moved towards the location we favor?
Lawlita Fassbinder: Kile, keep talking....this is good stuff
Kile Grommet: one point is the "votes" are one time things
Lawlita Fassbinder: what about having to argue the side you disagree wtith
Wandering Yaffle: we used to have a gameshow like that
Kile Grommet: but if you move around the circle, you can react to others and adjust
Commerce Leader: Back in a few minutes as FlipperPA - gotta take care of something RL really quick. :-)
Wandering Yaffle: you got the option to have a second go at changing your poition, once you'd seen where the majority had gone
Kile Grommet: the goal would be to persuade others to join your cluster
Kile Grommet: right
Lawlita Fassbinder: exactly
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: right we do that at caucuses in rl
Lawlita Fassbinder: wanna try it?
Lenin Camus: Argueing against yourself goes back to high school debating - you have to know arguements for each side. Aff and Neg. Makes for a more informaed discussion.
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: move around the room
Barbarra Blair is reminded of Plato's Republic in which people vote but no one bothers to count the votes
Lawlita Fassbinder: well, let me throw a questionout there
Satchmo Prototype is online
Kile Grommet: the use of the "hum" in internet engineering task force is to find out if there is strong opposition
Jesrad Seraph: If ou'll excuse me, lot, both my questions have been answered :)
Kile Grommet: physical separation of dissenters -- so they can be appraoched and reasoned with -- would be the goal
Satchmo Prototype is online
Lawlita Fassbinder: this may be to open ended but I want to get a sense of how many people feel we should use this place as a place for RL democracy versus SL governance?
Lawlita Fassbinder: not mutually exclusive
Wandering Yaffle: the system need somewhere clear for you to go and and a good reason for going there though
Druid Jewel: *whispers*
Lawlita Fassbinder: but there may be strong reason
Barbarra Blair: SL governance? I thought you were not allowed to use such curse words in a PG sim.
Gwyneth Llewelyn raises hand for RL governance
Justice Soothsayer: LOL
Gwyneth Llewelyn: and lol Barbarra ;)
Wandering Yaffle: like you would have to say that side if you're pro-death penalty, this side if you're anti
Wandering Yaffle: you can't be vague or people don't commit
Lawlita Fassbinder: so if you're here because you're interested in revamping SL governance and forming a group to work on that , you could go over to the blue ifnromation kiosk
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Barbarra Blair: But many people don't see such issues in black and white terms.
Kile Grommet: so, maybe those who think focus should be on RL should sit near Lawlita, those for sl sit opposite, and uncertain go to middle
Wandering Yaffle: that's where that system falls down
Barbarra Blair: How about if you are interested in avoiding SL governance?
Lawlita Fassbinder: this isn't a pro/anti question
Wandering Yaffle: it's like two party politics
Moriz Gupte shouts: HIYA SATCH
Lawlita Fassbinder: this is about forming communities of interest
Lawlita Fassbinder: and seeing where people's interests lie
Timeless Prototype: hi Satchmo
Lawlita Fassbinder: so it's a bit different
Satchmo Prototype: hello all
Lawlita Fassbinder: and it may be that this kind of question doesn't lend itsef as well
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Zyax Warrior: ok, well i would like to know more about what you think of the search engine Google Lawlita
Wandering Yaffle: I suppose it depends on whether you a looking for discussion or trying to make a group decision
Jef Ambassador: I'm for using this space for collaboration, but not necessarily governence.
Zyax Warrior: its importance in the e-commerce world is growing rapidly
Lawlita Fassbinder: right - but ther are people here who want to collaborate around different topics
Lawlita Fassbinder: and create collaborative groups
Lawlita Fassbinder: not, ongoing groups with formal membership
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Can you suggest some of the topics you've been considering, Lawlita?
Barbarra Blair: or reasons for collaboration?
Lawlita Fassbinder: Maybe Snoopy or one of the Islanders want to answer this question?.......
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, reasons are aplenty :) I was more wondering about the style of topics...
Wandering Yaffle: gtg guys thanks
Gwyneth Llewelyn: The Islanders seem to be busy in IM hell, hehe
Gwyneth Llewelyn kicks Satchmo ;)
Lawlita Fassbinder: So I know that they started out wanting to take on the recent debates around use of cellphones on airplanes
Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods*
Rowan Pontoppidan: Barbarra. *smiles*
Barbarra Blair: Hi Roan
Gwyneth Llewelyn: would "educational" projects, like civic classes, fit in?
Barbarra Blair: Rowan
Lawlita Fassbinder: but, as you'll learn about later, democracy island has been "sublet" ;-) for a bunch of other questions
Lawlita Fassbinder: like community land use and planning in Queens
Lawlita Fassbinder: nanotech policy
Moriz Gupte: He he he I only my head is showling
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: ty all
Lawlita Fassbinder: and issues, in particular, involving young people
Kile Grommet: could we use the cellphone question as the basis for an experiment with "voting" with your virtual feet?
Lawlita Fassbinder: let's try it - the "problem" is that we'll quickly realize we're operating without enough information
Lawlita Fassbinder: Kile, where would you like up to go?
Justice Soothsayer: lack of info rarely stops people from forming opinions, Lawlita
Lawlita Fassbinder: lol
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Sadly true :(
Kile Grommet: ok -- so I suggest that cell phone use be banned from planes -- except in emergencies -- even if they pose no technical problems
Kile Grommet: and I invite those who agree with this to come over here
Kile Grommet: after others have articulated alternatives, of course
Barbarra Blair: If I understand this proposal so far, this place would become a 3-D virtual meeting for various real-life discussions. This is not really new or innovative, since it has been done many times before here--so I bid you all farewell.
Satchmo Prototype: I just want to check my SMS and email messeges with my cellphone on the plane.... how bout no voice?
Lawlita Fassbinder: Barbara, that's where you miss the point
Kile Grommet: that's an alternative
Lawlita Fassbinder: the whole point is NOT to use this as a replication of real life
Lawlita Fassbinder: and just to have more meetings
Lawlita Fassbinder: but to figure out how to innovate
Zyax Warrior: i get that Lyre, but if i am not tuned into what the latest issues of discussion are then how can i participate on a regular basis?
Timeless Prototype: actually, I could use conferencing facilities for my business discussions
Zyax Warrior: Is there an information booth around here?
Lawlita Fassbinder: we want o figure out better ways for groups to find each other, form, organize themselves and estalibhs rules for the group
Lawlita Fassbinder: so that they can collaborate
Lawlita Fassbinder: this does not work well in real or virtual life
Rowan Pontoppidan smiles
Rowan Pontoppidan: Take care, Lenin.
Lawlita Fassbinder: but in SL, where I have "physical proximity" and easy scripting the hope is to find new ways for people to create effective rules and structures so that they can collaborate and deliberate
Lawlita Fassbinder: more effectively and efficiently
Jade Lily: you may have already discussed this. if so, let me know and i'll check the chat log. i've been in and out. can you give an example of a kind of power that the federal or state government might defer to groups?
SNOOPYbrown Zamboni: ok our next speaker is right here
Lawlita Fassbinder: let me just wind down by answering that last question
SNOOPYbrown Zamboni: he's in a prototype of a deliberation room, walking over now
Lawlita Fassbinder: which also wraps up the last point
Jade Lily: thanks, beth :)
Lawlita Fassbinder: namely, in corporations we're able to organize collaborative beahvior
Lawlita Fassbinder: towhich law and government defer
Lawlita Fassbinder: but corproations are too big, heavy and unwiedly
Lawlita Fassbinder: we see with things like Open Source projects or Second Life that people can and will collaborate without those formal structures
Lawlita Fassbinder: they do need informal structures
Lawlita Fassbinder: and that's what this project is about
Lawlita Fassbinder: experiementing with those structures to support information, collaborative activity
Lawlita Fassbinder: that can change the world -- both in virtual but also in the real world
Zyax Warrior: k, thanks
Lawlita Fassbinder: and now we're going to hear about a more practice example of that!
Lawlita Fassbinder: so this is JUST the beginning
MRAzoid Heaney: Thanks v. much Lawlita!
Jade Lily: thank you, beth
Lenin Camus: Sounds very Proudhonian. I like it.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: thank you
Lawlita Fassbinder: thanks
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